>Clostridia, Flagyl & Culturelle….

Clostridia are anaerobic bacteria which exists naturally in our gut. There are many species, some are not harmful though overgrowth of certain clostridia species has many negative impact on the human body. Clostridia overgrowth produces harmful byproducts, clostridia are also spore-formers. Due to several reasons, clostridia overgrowth is also common in certain children with Autism. Clostridia is not easy to test, it requires specialised labs with oxygen free environment to test for it. Our favourite CSA (Comprehensive Stool Test) by Doctor’s Data also tests for Clostridia. Both Maya and Yasmin’s stool test has confirmed clostridia infection at one time or the other. Depending on the severity from 1+ to 4+ (1 being the lowest, 4 being the highest) you can choose to treat it in different ways. An experienced GP or paediatrician can also diagnose it based on clinical symptoms and physical examination.  Depending on your doctor’s personal preferences and priorities with infections over other issues, the doctor may or may not choose to treat it.

However, for those who know me well, fighting infections are always a big priority for me. I am also blessed to have a doctor who supports me and shares the same goals and priorities. Namely because any type of infections has such a profound effect on my children’s behaviour. Apart from the health point of view, addressing yeast/ fungal infections, bacterial infections, clostridia, parasites and viral infections are high on my list for treating behavioral issues and developmental delays. Depending on the child, my girls have exhibited the following behaviors, all caused by either one of the infections- tantrums, aggression, meltdowns, crankiness, irritability, shouting, hyperactivity, non-compliance, echolalia, lack of focus and poor appetite to name just a few. Though there are many reasons for tantrums, meltdowns and all of the above behavior, when it is related to very high bacterial or clostridium infections, the tantrums and aggression are amped super-high. After some time, we knew whenever Yasmin had a bacterial infection. And we definitely knew when she had a clostridia infection- she would shout and her voice was always super loud. Even her normal speaking voice was like a megaphone. For Maya, clostridia causes aggressive behaviour, OCD, hyperness and rigidity.

Apart from the behavioral issues, infections also comes with other unpleasant physical symptoms such as diarhhia, constipation, bloating, foul smelling abnormal stool, tummy ache, night awakenings, poor appetite and many others. Not every child may present the same set of symptoms as my girls. Many parents tell me that though their CSA test result shows high bacterial, yeast or clostridia levels, they can’t distinguish or notice any behaviors or symptoms related to the infection. However, their child still exhibit many Autistic traits or behaviors. However, I hope that by treating the infections, it will lessen the Autistic symptoms.

Treating yeast, bacterial, clostridia, parasitic or viral infections does not necessarily mean treating Autism and it’s symptoms. However, you are treating and addressing your child’s health issues, it will enhance his quality of life. Our children  deserves good health just like any other child, Autism or not. Infections causes many pains and discomfort, addressing it will lessen your child’s pain and enable him to feel and think better.

Clostridia is commonly treated with Flagyl (metronidazole, the generic version is Norzol) an antibiotic specific for anaerobic bacterial infections. The course ranges from 3 days to 2 weeks, a main-stream doctor will usually prescribe 3 days of Flagyl, though a biomed doctor will prescribe 2 weeks for a child with ASD. Depending on the child, some children respond well to Flagyl, though some may not.

You can also treat clostridia with Culturelle. Culturelle is the brand name for Lacto GG, a strain of probiotics that are particularly effective against clostridia. It is said that Lacto GG is the most researched probiotic in the world. Best of all, Culturelle is also casein-free, compared to other brands of Lacto GG. Some children react better to Culturelle compared to Flagyl. Dr William Shaw, founder of Great Plains Lab, who is also a highly-respected biochemist in the biomed world, finds that Culturelle is more effective in addressing clostridia long term compared to Flagyl. He believes that treatment by Flagyl alone results in 100% recurrence in clostridium infection. However, by either using Culturelle alone or in combination reduces the recurrent infections tremendously. Reason being, clostridia is a spore-former, therefor Flagyl is not effective against the spores itself, only on the bacteria. The spores are the guys that reproduce and make more ‘baby clostridias’. Thus it would make sense to have a treatment protocol that address both the bacteria AND the spores. Please sign up to the Great Plains newsletter at www.greatplainslaboratory.com . You will also receive a free e-copy of Dr William Shaw’s book Biological Treatments for Autism & PDD, a staple in every biomed home.

Some children experience terrible die-off symptoms either from Flagyl or Culturelle or both. Some parents are happy to see bad die-off, thinking that it means it is killing the infection effectively. I would like to dispel that myth, some die-off can be expected. But really bad die-off is not good. It means that the body’s detox system is overloaded, that they are not able to detox or flush out the by-products effectively. At this point, please consult your doctor, you may need to reduce the dosage. On the other hand, no die-off or very mild die-off doesn’t necessarily mean that it is not working. Just count yourself lucky. Remember, if the child seems in a lot of pain, terrible discomfort, not able to sleep for many nights, really bad diarrhoea, continuously crying and mega tantrums, it is a sign to take it down a notch. Activated charcoal, Alka Seltzer Gold and Epsom Salts baths helps to reduce the die-off.

On the other hand, there are some parents who are so fearful of possibly bad die-off, that they prefer to not address the infections. Fungal / yeast, bacterial and parasitic infections causes terrible itch, pain and discomfort in the tummy, bowels, skin, genitals and anus. Please, don’t be put off by the die-off horror stories. If you yourself have ever had a yeast infection, you know how horrific it is to live even 1 day with the itchy scratchy pain in your nether regions, so imagine if it is a systemic yeast infection in your child, imagine the pain and discomfort he is experiencing. If you fear the die-off, consider that the treatment is only for a couple of week, after which you child will be left feeling a whole load better, pain free and itch free. 2 weeks of tantrums and sleepless nights compared to a life-time of happiness. Don’t let your own fear hold your child back. Don’t let your own fear of sleepless nights or dealing with tantrums deny your child the medical attention he needs. If you do decide to take the plunge, and if the die-off is too unbearable, remember that you always have a choice to reduce the dosage or stop it altogether. Having activated charcoal on hand helps. A
t the very least, you can tell yourself that you tried your best for your child.

For my girls, I have tried Flagyl and Culturelle, both singularly or in combination. We have done Flagyl for 2 weeks, then followed by Culturelle at a maintenance dose. I have also done only Culturelle at a therapeutic dose for 3 weeks, then reduced to a maintenance dose. Both have been effective for us, the incidents of recurrence have been manageable provided that we always include a maintenance dose of Culturelle daily. There was a time 2 months after Yasmin’s last Clostridium infection which we treated with Flagyl followed by Culturelle, we ran out of Culturelle. After 3 days of missing it, all the symptoms came back with a vengeance. The shouting and tantrums, poor appetite, night awakenings and severely bloated tummy points to clostridia again. Based on our doctor’s advice, we put her on a therapeutic dose of Culturelle. It did the trick, after the first week, we could see a reduction in the behaviours and physical symptoms. Since then on, I made sure we never ever ran out of Culturelle again.

There were times that therapeutic dosage of Culturelle was not enough and we had to resort to the Flagyl/ Culturelle combo again. But for us, maintenance is the key. Without daily dosing of Lacto GG, the highly opportunistic clostridium WILL come back. Also, we made sure that the girls get high doses of multi-flora probiotics post antibiotic treatment. My current favourite probiotics are Custom Probiotics CP-1. It is 50 Billion CFU, it is casein-free and strep-free multi-flora combination of Lacto and Bifido strains. I also supplement with S.Boulardii as it is also helpful with the fight against dysbiotic flora. If you have a child who is prone to recurrent infections like I do, addressing the immune system imbalance concurrently is a must.

Flagyl is a prescription antibiotic, you can get it from your prescribing doctor. Culturelle comes in 1 Billion or 10 Billion CFU, I always make sure I get the 10 Billion CFU ones. Culturelle is usually stored and shipped unrefrigerated, it comes in specialized foil packaging that protects it during transport. However, it is always recommended to store all probiotics including Lacto GG in the refrigerator once you receive your shipment to ensure potency. Culturelle is available at www.iherb.com, www.spectrumsupplements.com, www.b2bdiet.com.sg and autismrecovery.com.sg.  You can purchase Custom Probiotics at www.customprobiotics.com. All the above stores delivers to Malaysia.

A friend reported that her child was diagnosed with anaerobic bacterial infection by her peadiatrician. Based on clinical symptoms and physical examination, he prescribed a 3 day course of Flagyl. I spoke to her about Culturelle and once the course of Flagyl was finished, she put her child on a therapeutic dose of Culturelle. Funnily enough, the 3 day course of Flagyl didn’t seem to cause any die-off nor improvements in her child. However, on the 2nd day she was on Culturelle, her daughter experienced die-off behaviours- irritability, crankiness, fatigue, non-compliance and poor appetite. Take note that this is a neuro-typical child with absolutely no Autistic symptoms.

Finally, her daughter did a massive bowel movement. My friend couldn’t believe how much came out of her child, to the point that she insisted that her husband and the maid look at it. They feared the toilet bowl was going to overflow, gross yet fascinating, they couldn’t look away. She was so concerned for her child, yet the texture and appearance of the stool was normal, the only abnormal thing about it was the amount. It seemed more than even an adult could produce, much less a skinny 5 year old child. However, right afterwards, her child said to her that she felt much better. She then was ready to eat and had a healthy appetite again. It is amazing how quickly a child bounces back. Since then on, she is a big believer in Culturelle. This is a gross story, but something only a biomed parent can appreciate. In fact, when my friend called me about it, she was so amazed by what happened on that day and she knew that I was the only person who would appreciate such a story. And yes, I did.

6 thoughts on “>Clostridia, Flagyl & Culturelle….

    • Hi Nazlia,
      Culturelle is not sold in Malaysia. however, you may be able to find other brands of Lacto GG, I’m not quite sure where though. The downside is it’s not casein-free. Thus children on the GFCF diet may not find casein-free formulations suitable. We usually purchase through our Biomed doctors, buy in pharmacies in Singapore or online.

  1. I can answer this question. Lacto GG is brought in from the US by a company in KK and only doctors (i.e. at hospitals can sell them the last I checked). You can definitely get it in hospitals in KL. There is a new one one the market available at hospitals called Restore which comes from the UK. That is a probiotic which has probiotic food in it whihc apparently makes it last longer. however, it’s rather pricey.

    • Hi there,
      Yes I have. But my girls are such picky eaters that they won’t eat or drink it in whatever form due to it’s taste, consistency, even how it looks etc. Smuggling in probiotics is a much simpler solution for us. But if your child is willing to eat it, then great!

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